Curse

upier · Nov 24, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Does not giving a shit make me a bad person?
Oh wait - I don't give a shit about that either!

It's just a freaking game!

..L.. · Nov 24, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

I would pobally dupe if I knew how to do it, even if I wasnt sure if I could get away with it. Farming really got boring as hell.

Tamuril elansar · Nov 24, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

any evidence their still dupers? people just have luck with voltaic spears :S

netniwk · Nov 24, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by Tamuril elansar

any evidence their still dupers? people just have luck with voltaic spears :S

there are people with more ecto then you could get out of 100 r.9 volatic spears..

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 24, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I'm not surprised there's could be more of them still in game. As vigilant as they were in trying to fix the problem they are still human and people are sneaky. Who's to say they aren't still working on it now?
Just because there were a few of them that jumped the gun and got caught doesn't mean that there weren't smarter ones that took their times, only did it in small amounts and spread them out to numerous people over the months that they were doing it then had those people slowing start giving them back. (is what I would have done).

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Originally Posted by netniwk

there are people with more ecto then you could get out of 100 r.9 volatic spears..

And who says they all got them at the same time?
They could have gotten them from duping, hording, being a power trader and had one of their buddies leave the game and give them all their shit.

Point is, unless they actually sit there and show you how it's done, not just say it, but do it successfully, you or no one else on this forum knows for sure.

macke · Nov 24, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by netniwk

there are people with more ecto then you could get out of 100 r.9 volatic spears..

GodDam i just Took one!!

hmm,I think French ppl do it

Aera · Nov 24, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

To the OP:

K first of all: It's a DUPER not a DUPPER

Second: Why on earth did you add a poll? How can we 'vote' on whether they care or not? They either care or not, and they OBVIOUSLY do.

Good decisions take time to make. They can't just ban anyone who pops a stack of ecto in your tradewindow.

Stop whining and be patient.

undeadgun · Nov 24, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by netniwk

there are people with more ecto then you could get out of 100 r.9 volatic spears..

make it 1000 imo

The Herbalizer · Nov 24, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

I was gonna stay out of these threads, but might as well give my opinion.

To Max_gladius, I can see your point...kinda. However i'm curious why your so ticked. Yes its cheating, but if you step back and take a look at the whole thing, its JUST A GAME. Don't get me wrong here, i'm not a duper, but for crying out loud what difference does it make outside of GW? Every thread on duping that i can recall was started by known high end traders who were just furious that someone had vastly surpassed their wealth in just a matter of days. The point I see in their posts is "OMG, ban these people they're taking my uber rich status away!!! Oh noess!" Might as well come to the realization that all your collections, stacks of ectos, fow, whatever you prize in gw is a nice collection of pixels, measuring at most a few MB in Anet's servers, with little difference from an account that is filled with junk. And many dupers simply turn around and spend their ill-gotten wealth on their own collections, just changing pixels.

I laugh still when i visit some of the threads in High end these days. Shill bidders, fake bidders, dupers, the whole lot and then some. One current auction, the seller scoffs at 25e bid increases, yet declines to post a s/b or b/o, and claims that real life is "kicking his ass, and he doesn't play anymore, so he doesn't want to keep his rares anymore" (thats a paraphrase btw). I must ask, if you don't play, why are you so greedy for something that does you no good in real life? Unless you want to sell your profits on ebay or whatever, which brings me to my final point.

The root of all these duper threads as I see them is mostly greed, indeed even the duping is simply tied to greed. People who have the "leet collections" or stacks of ectos or w/e don't want anyone else to have stuff like that, the people who don't have it want it, and dupe to get it. I do NOT advocate that duping should be let go, it is a breach of the EULA and should be rewarded with a permaban, but what i'd worry about is not the dumb dupers who invest in collections or other gw stuff (aka bunch of pixels), its the ones who are smart and turn it into cash. The only reason this works for them is because there are a host of fat, lazy goons who will spend real money for some more pixels.

As far as Anet is concerned....I believe they are more interested in building gw2, not worried about gw1's economy. BTW, they already did a prime job of wrecking gw economy, first inscriptions, then killing whatever was left with gwen....duping just tops it off, shooting the truely rare item prices through the roof, making more people stay around long enough to try and get them.

Oh and I could care less how rich you are in GW, i'm not rich at all in pixelland, its who you are in the real world that makes a difference.

** Puts on full armor of +10 vs fire armor, and +10 vs flaming shield **

Also this game was created to be an enjoyment, not an obcessant (sp?). If it really bugs you about some pixels in some servers, you might rethink how much time you play GW, cause you probably have addiction problems

Thats very unfair. You need to know facts. Its better to sell your insanely expensive items if your not going to play GW for a long while so when you come back to GW you have alot of gold and not some weapon which could have been devalued. Thats happened before to me many many times and i lost thousands of ecto. 25e + bid increments is perfectly reasonable. 2.5 million for the axe which is 500 ectos is imo way too low. He customized his unconditional sword which has lost him like 1000+ ecto so if he wanted to sell gold he would not have done that. Besides with the degree thing he is doing he definately wont need to sell gold as very nice salary.

CE Devilman · Nov 24, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

or 3587 Slices of Pumpkin Pie...

Tamuril elansar · Nov 24, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by CE Devilman

or 3587 Slices of Pumpkin Pie...

tsss, not even enough for sweeth tooth maxed out

Loviatar · Nov 24, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Then perhaps you can explain why the prices for ecto and shards haven't decreased. After all, UB makes UW farming more common, as well, and we actually have a trader value to register how much is coming into the economy.

i think i can actually give you a valid reason on that one.

ectos hsve been farmed in relatively big quantities for about 2 years and there is an ocean of them in the game now.

even if UB cut the time for a run you have to consider that you are only adding the relatively few additional ectos from the saved time of a run over what would have been gotten anyway/

then you have to look at the ocean of existing in game ectos you are adding this relative cupfull of additional ectos to

Swift Thief · Nov 24, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by max gladius

I am totally fed up with the fact that Duppers are still ingame.... how is it possible for someone to go from less then 1 stack of ecto to over 30 stacks in the mater of months...

Don't jump to conclusions. They just have no lives at all.

Diddy bow · Nov 24, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by upier

Does not giving a shit make me a bad person?
Oh wait - I don't give a shit about that either!

It's just a freaking game!

yea, i gave up caring, so did a-net they said "we got most of them" and we just need to accept it, be it truth or lie, there is really no reson why thye should bother about it anymore anyway, so long as duping is acctually gone.

Nuj08 · Nov 24, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

As far as I'm concerned, this episode with duping has already tarnished the legacy of GW without question. But I guess it is expected when a MMORPG approaches the end of its life cycle as with many other games that lasts this long. I realize that many of us are still passionate about the game but in all honesty, time to move on.......

GloryFox · Nov 24, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

One wonders if Ecto's were suddenly worth 100g each?

People would get Fissure armor, and gloves of course, so what? My gloves for 1.5k is just as good. Skill over time RIGHT? (unless we are speaking of PvE grind skills)

Many of the other armors have nicer skins. Skill over time RIGHT. Most players I know who made their millions did it when UW rained Ecto's, Protective bond could be maintained without energy loss, and there was no loot scaling. Ah those were the days where people did not SCREAM balance over the truly unbalanced skill combo's we used to use to farm an area. ORIGINAL EOE ANYONE?

Considering GW is dead, and there is a mass exodus out of GW for other better games I'd say this situation is moot. GW2 will be here and all that cheating will be in vain. Honestly do you really believe that filling out your hall will give you some kind of advantage? ANET has already said it won't.

The Herbalizer · Nov 24, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Nuj08

As far as I'm concerned, this episode with duping has already tarnished the legacy of GW without question. But I guess it is expected when a MMORPG approaches the end of its life cycle as with many other games that lasts this long. I realize that many of us are still passionate about the game but in all honesty, time to move on.......

Yeah. It died for me when factions was released.

maraxusofk · Nov 24, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by crazy diamond

I love how so many people seem to know without a doubt that duping most certainly is going on.

duping ISNT going on. wut max is saying that those who have duped in the past ARENT banned and are still in the game.

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Yeah. It died for me when factions was released.

id say it died for me when the my hoh drops became inscriptable. that was when i realized gg for high end.

max gladius · Nov 24, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

The bothersome part, is the fact that people are getting away with it....

Think back when u were in school, you study your arse off for a test, spent a full week of your vacation time, you get a 90 on it, you know that a few people cheated on it and got a 95... did it effect you? you still passed the test, you still got a nice score... but did it in any effect you?

Should that person be aloud to keep that score and no one tell on them? Suppose the teacher even found out they cheated, should they just get a retest?

I mean really, you still passed, there is no real effect on you at all right. Its not like that effects you outside of the school. Who cares if you waisted a week of your life to almost get what they got on it when they just wrote their notes on some paper and used it on the test...

Oh wait, lets just convince the teacher to make all tests open book... or better why not everyone just cheat on the test...

That is the situation at hand, anet banned some ppl, temp banned others, and totally let others get away with it... now, there is a newer dup that was or is going on, and from the appearance of it, anet is not doing anything to fix the situation....

Fril Estelin · Nov 24, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by max gladius

but if u read his stuff, he was very accurate on prior accusations and such.

I read his "stuff" and there's no "accuracy" at all. The guy has some limited knowledge and either extrapolates or present it in the light that will harm Anet and GW. It's a complete non-sense (as far as he hasn't answered the questions that were asked to him).

Which does not mean that gold-selling companies are not making money out of GW (which is the only explanation I can find for this madness of "high-end market" where people play/bid/sell/buy at financial amounts that are completely beyond the normal player's reach). Greediness is at the root of this alternate GW world.